Yes, I've got to get me anybody have an extra cowbell around or anything? I'm going to put my soft pan and wooden spoon in here that you all are enjoying the fellowship here, here. And we will get started. I'll tell you what, we're off our regular series but we got off last week and so we'll get back to the regular series next week. But let me lead us in the word of prayer and I'll tell you what we're doing today here. Dear Heavenly Father, we're grateful for friends and family gathered together for the joy of this place and just pray that you would bless our time together and Bible study and later on in worship we ask this in Jesus name, amen. Well, last week, of course, we had our Taoist Prophecy Conference and did the six sessions of it that was finished five and six last Sunday morning. And session number five I had to go through kind of quickly and it was heavily viewed on YouTube this week and had some comments there and I wanted to come back and hit some more of it and that was the topic on the flat earth and I want to come back and address some of these things. Again, it's going to be a little more brief than perhaps we could cover, but last week's brief and this week's brief comes to a full session of not so brief, but honestly to fully deal with the concept of the flat earth and where this is rising from and why it's becoming so popular would take quite a while. And really, even though we're going to talk a little bit about some of the scientific stuff today, if we want to address the flat earth movement, we'll have to address it from a biblical point of view because that's where they come from and they're not really so much interested in what NASA says or what a picture of a satellite says or anything like that. They come, as I mentioned last week at the beginning, and if you missed that, of course you can go back and get it. As I mentioned, they are like us in that they are people who trust and believe the Bible and if the Bible says it, that settles it. But I think the problem and the challenge is that they are misreading a lot of scriptures and should come back and reconsider those. And so I want to look at it a little bit. I want to take a little bit different again next time we'll pick back up in our harmonutic study we've been doing in this hour. But I want to pick up really on some of the comments, three of the comments that came in, in the YouTube comments section. Let me say something just FYI on the YouTube comments section, I get perturbed when I go to a sermon or a Bible study website and it says Comments closed. I get perturbed because I think, well, that preacher doesn't have enough skin on him to handle the comments. He would go home crying and you have to be a big boy and let the people comment. So I let the people comment. Now that said, I don't always read the comments because who has time to read every comment and respond to every comment? Some people do that but they're basically full time YouTubers. I'm not. So the comments are out there. I kind of look at the comments as one guy comes and says something really dumb and somebody else will come and say something really smart and you can kind of take that conversation and get something out of it usually and take it. But this week I did happen to go and I read some of the comments just because I was curious as to what it might say. And there were three of them especially that I wanted to look at and pull here this morning. So comment or claim number one. It said when it comes to biblical cosmology can we stop right there? Biblical cosmology, the cosmos is the universe. Cosmology is the study of the universe. Don't get it mixed up with cosmetology. That's the study of your face. But cosmology is the study of the cosmos. That is, all of created order is the cosmos. So looking at the Bible to study the make up of the universe, when it comes to biblical cosmology, even the most astute literal Bible interpreter I assume he's talking about me even the most astute literal Bible interpreter will go full metaphorical. So much for biblical exegesis. Just can't get this Grecoroman thought out of my system. Guess it has more to do with honesty and integrity. Okay, his claim there is that a person like me would be very literal in our exegesis. And yet when it comes to cosmology, we'll immediately throw that out the window because we're stuck in a Grecoroman kind of thought that trumps our biblical exegesis. And so we go full metaphorical. Metaphorical obviously is looking at it in a nonliteral manner. Now let me say first of all that I think that there is a challenge for all of us of not letting our preconceived notion interpret the Bible for us. And so we can take our Greco Roman thought, if you will, and use that in such a way that it overcomes the Bible. And I think many of us have said over the last several years, as we have been studying the Bible in a very literal way, we've said, boy, all of this stuff that I thought was the way theology works. Now I found out it's not. And it's hard to get over that, as I sometimes call it, that standard evangelical garbage in order to see what the Bible actually says. Well in this case is it Grecoroman ideology that causes us not to be able to see what the scripture said. Now let's take one and examine one of the passages I had last week and see if I just went full metaphorical and skipped what the Bible is actually saying. Let's go to Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22, and see if I can get it. There we go. Isaiah 40 22 says, I took my favorite pointer in the office and I still don't have it here. There we go. It is he that sits upon the circle of the Earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers that stretches out of the heavens as a curtain, and spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Now, let's take this circle of the Earth. It is he that siteth upon the circle of the Earth. Now, if you take that literally, then the Earth is a circle. If you take it can I say uber literally, then the Earth as a circle is not a sphere, therefore the Earth is flat. Now, first of all, the accusation is I went full on metaphorical because I believe the Earth is a sphere. Does this say that the Earth is flat? No, it says that the Earth is a circle. A circle could be flat, no doubt about it. But metaphorical, to take circle and make that necessarily flat, even you take a plate, a dinner plate. Is your dinner plate flat? Well, it's flatter than a balloon, but it's not completely flat. If it is, all the gravy goes off the edge, right? And so you would look at the plate and say, oh, there's a circle. No, it's a convex. I don't know anyone who says the Earth is completely a flat circle. Even the flat Earth believe it's. Their cosmology is a bowl, basically, if you will, that the circle is a bowl. Flat is definitely two dimensional and it is hard to I'm not sure what's happening there. Is that you, Nathan? Okay, well, undo whatever you did there. Your son's always playing with your stuff. This is the problem. So we're trying to go to Isaiah, chapter 42. Nathan, let's do go ahead and take 22 and take this issue of Isaiah 42, the circle of the Earth. First of all, a couple of cross references. We won't go to both of them. The Hebrew word circle here, you can break it down just a little smaller. The Hebrew word circle there is used three times in the Bible, and I've given you the other two. We won't spend time on them, although it would be interesting to do so. Jill, chapter 22, verse 14 talks about the circuit of the heavens. So, circle, circuit. By the way, in Isaiah, he's sitting in Job, he is walking on the circuit of the Earth. And then you have in Proverbs eight, verse 27, it says that God used a compass when creating the Earth. A little bit of paraphrase there, but the three words circle, circuit and compass are the words that are used. Now, just from that, I think you would have to say, okay, this is a word that does not necessarily mean flat. It does not necessarily mean a disk to speak of. You have a circuit of the Earth. By the way, when we went and looked at stars the other day, we talked about the ecliptic. The ecliptic is a circuit, if you will, that the sun passes through, and the planets are all in that line of the ecliptic. It's a circle, so to speak, but it's definitely not two dimensional. It has that third dimension, and it is the word that you would use. Now, first of all, looking at this so I'm accused of going full on metaphorical because I don't take circle as flat. Anything to interpret Scripture, we want to ask, is there anything in this verse that would say, hey, maybe there is some metaphorical speech here? I'll use the word metaphorical because as he's used that and you could use the word allegorical. You could use the word, I don't know, spiritual, perhaps, where there's a different shade of meaning. Is there anything in the text that hints that there's a different shade of meaning here and that we can use some metaphor? Let's see here. He is sitting upon the circle of the earth. Even sitteth, we know that God is not always sitting. So would they be okay if God happened to stand on the circle of the Earth? They say, yeah, that's sitting. It's a concept to say, this is his home, so to speak. That could be. That certainly somewhat metaphorical. Now, of course, you could say, well, at the time this was written, he was sitting down. And so it's perfectly literal, I believe if you can take it literal, do it literal. So we'll go and sit it the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers. Anything metaphorical there? Yeah, because we're not grasshoppers and we're an inhabitant of this circle, right, going on that, let's see, in heavenness thereof are as grasshoppers that stretcheth out the heavens as a curtain. Okay? Are the heavens a curtain? No, stretched out like a curtain. spreadeth them out as a tent to dwell in. Do we dwell in a tent? No, we don't. Now, you've got something metaphorical in the verse. Again. I believe that you take the Bible literally. In fact, we'll use the old rule, if the plain sense makes common sense, seek no other sense. But sometimes the Bible itself says, hey, this is figurative speech and you should take it as figurative speech. As a matter of fact, in my little book, Dispensationalism for Dummies, I have a little section in there about we take the Bible literally, and when it's figurative, we literally take it as figurative speech. So can we go metaphorical? Now, let me back up and to be fair here, here it does say he sits up on the circle, but then it says, they are as grasshoppers. Okay. Does say the Earth is a circle. It does not say we're grasshoppers. It says we're as grasshoppers. So that little word as there as a curtain, as a tent. Yeah, that says we've got some metaphorical speech here. But is circle metaphorical? That's what we want to know. Well, again, we're looking for clues that we can take. It a little metaphorical here. That's verse 20. If we jump down in the same context to verse 24. Here we go. Yea, they shall not be planted. Yea, they shall not be sown. Yea, their stock shall not take root in the earth, and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither, and the whirlwind shall take them away as stubble. Now, here that they happens to be the enemies of God upon the earth, so these people shall not be planted. Now, he doesn't say, Excuse me, it will not be as if these people were planted. He just says they will not be planted. Have you ever been planted? Well, in one sense, you put down your roots right, here I am. I'm putting my roots right here. I'm planted. Okay, but is that metaphorical speech? Do you have roots? You don't really have roots. Plant has roots. You don't have roots, but you put down your roots. How can you put down your roots if you have no roots? How can you be planted if you're not in the dirt? Well, it's because we have metaphorical speech. Their stock shall not take root, and he shall also blow upon them, and they shall wither. Now, is the Lord actually going to blow on them and the whirlwind will take them away when it comes time for the judgment? Well, not exactly in that sense, I don't think that the judgment is going to involve the whirlwind that comes out of God's mouth in a literal sense, but it certainly will in a metaphorical sense. Now, the point to all of that, as we see here, is that, okay, so I'm accused of taking it metaphorically. They don't take it metaphorically, I guess, because circle is obviously flat. It seems like they do take it metaphorically. But the passage, the entire context of the passage has a lot of metaphor in it. So is there that possibility now then, the next question to say, okay, let's go back up and look at the word circle in verse, verse 20. And here we go. He that sits upon the circle of the earth. Let's ask the question. Is a sphere a form of a circle? It's a three dimensional circle. That's exactly right. If you want to take that three dimensional circle aspect out, a sphere is a whole bunch of circles stacked on top of each other, and different sized circles will make a sphere if you took a slice out of it. A sphere is made up of circles. As a matter of fact, I went to Webster's 1828 Dictionary on a number of occasions, and that's because those who use the King James Bible, which almost all Flat Earthers do, and I do as well. But those who use it look to Webster's 1828 to help give the definition. And I believe it's three times in the definition. Webster talks about spheres in the definition of a circle. That should be in the definition of a square. No, you wouldn't have sphere in the definition of a square. You'd have it in the definition of a circle. And then let's take this. And so we're not supposed to take it metaphorically. That's the accusation of the claim. Don't take that metaphorically, even though we do. Don't take it metaphorically. It's a circle, it's not a sphere. Does a circle have corners? No. If so, where are they? Can anybody answer? I've used for a long, long time, I have talked about various things that we wish God would have done, like we wish we had a world in which we had total free choice and in which sin was not possible. Okay? Can you have total free choice if you can only choose that which is good? It's not a really choice. You can become a robot. So the way I've said that is sometimes we demand God to make the circle square. Okay? You can either have a circle or you can have a square. But you can't have a square circle, so to speak. So we come here. We're going to take this like the Flat Earthers. If we take it literally, this says the Earth is not a sphere, this is flat. Now, somehow they get that out of literally. But the Earth is Flat and the Earth is a circle. But the problem is Isaiah 1112, which is the same book, we won't go there. But Isaiah 1112 and Revelation, chapter seven, verse one, talk about the corners of the Earth. Okay? One of them has to be metaphorical, right? So you don't take the Bible, you take a pull on metaphorical. It seems to me that these are metaphorical passages because a circle does not have corners. And the Bible says the Earth has corners, then it is he that sits upon the circle. I mentioned this just briefly last week, that the Flat Earth idea is that there is this round, flat disk bowl, really concave that is the Earth. And I didn't mention it too much. But the North Pole, as we call the North Pole, is the center of the map, the center of the plate, if you will. And the South Pole, there actually isn't one. South is all around the edges. North is to the center, south is to the edges. So there's not really a South Pole, there's just south. And as you look towards the edge now, the idea is it has a dome over it. We talked about this last week, and this dome is this circle upon which the Lord sits and looks down. So the idea is God is always above. Now, what Flat Earthers would say is that this proves that the Earth cannot be a sphere, because if God is sitting above looking down upon it, well, that only covers like half the Earth. Maybe you would even say a quarter of the Earth if it's a globe, because you think about those who live down under, which end is God sitting on? Probably the north. We could go from an Isaiah passage and say it's the north. For those who live down under. If you have a globe, God is actually above their feet. So this therefore proves that the world is flat. Now, the problem is that if you are in Australia, we have some listeners in Australia, in Australia, some of you Australians right back to me and let me know if this is true. I think in Australia, if they are pointing up, they would go like this and not like this, right? Down happens to be wherever you are in the globe. Down is toward the center of the Earth, up is toward the atmosphere. As a matter of fact, if you look in Webster's 828, it defines up as above the horizon. Down is below the horizon. That is to say, this is down, this is up wherever you are. And so if we are talking about where does God dwell, most of us, at least in a simplistic kind of way, we would say, well, he dwells up. That is, God doesn't dwell here around us, nor within the earth. He dwells above the horizon. Up there is where he dwells. So God sitth upon the circle of the Earth. He's looking down upon the circle of the Earth. Again, I don't know that I would use that as a biblical proof of a flat earth. To me, it seems like a giant leap of faith to take that when all around the world and any language, down is towards the center of the Earth, up is out towards the atmosphere. And these are the words that we have created. I suppose that in the development of language, we could have just come along and defined it as don't use the word down, use the word towards the center, or use the word out towards space. But we made a word for that. We made it down and we made it up, and it works wherever you are. These concepts prepositions that every language, I suppose, has, and we have been able to do that. That is claim number one. Now let's go to claim number two. And here the listener says so when the Bible explicitly states that the Earth is at rest still and shall not be moved, you take it to mean that it is not at rest, not still, and does move. Okay? It's a fair assessment. Psalm 104, verse five. He mentions as a possibility here the Bible states countless times that the Earth is on a foundation. Why do you put something on a foundation? So that it spins and orbits the neighborhood? No, you put it on a foundation so that it absolutely will not budge. Okay, there's the claim or the comment is that if the earth is on a foundation, then the earth absolutely does not budge. Let's look at the passage. And it would be again, Psalm 104, verse five. This is speaking about God, god, who laid the foundations of the earth, that it should not be removed forever. See, it's a flat earth. Again, there is a leap of faith that you have to take to get from this to flat earth and to claim that the flat earth view does not take this metaphorically in any way. I think it's just a false claim in and of itself. Now, this Psalm 104, verse five. There's other passages like Job 35, verse four. Many others that do speak of the earth with foundations, and I think it's always in the plural, by the way. But the earth having its foundations. Well, therefore the earth is flat, right, because it has foundations. Well, let me ask you a question. We've been studying hermeneutics is one of the fundamental rules of hermeneutics that I have shared with you about. I went back and counted over the last seven years. It was 8642 times. I said, let Scripture interpret. Scripture right. So we'll let scripture interpret scripture. We know that that's the way to do it. We don't want our Greco Roman worldviews to interpret scripture. We want the scripture to interpret. Scripture? So here's Psalm again, 104, verse five. Let's go. Right, remember, right here, put this in your mind. God is who's speaking of laid the foundations of the earth. That's verse five. Let's jump down to verse eight. And here it says, let me get that in the right spot there. There we go. They go up by the mountains, they go down by the valleys into the place which thou hast founded for them, okay? The people I believe it's here in the context of the people of Israel, but you could probably broaden it to the people of the earth. The earth has its foundations, and these people go up to the mountains, down to the valleys, into the place which thou hast founded for them. Now, the reason I want to bring that up is, one, because it's three verses later, and two, it is exactly the same word in the same Hebrew tense. If you looked at them side by side, they would be exactly 100% the same. Now here we're letting Scripture interpret scripture. So we come and say, the foundations of the earth. I don't know, god has laid the foundations of the earth. What does that mean? We come down and there's the place which thou hast founded for them. Oh, I understand. He founded it for them. Could this be saying in the beginning, god created the heavens and the earth? Yeah. God founded the Earth. 100% comes from the hand of God, right? The voice of God, the work of God, he created it. So just that verse tells us, now wait a minute, founded is actually in Hebrew. It is not the same word that would be used in Hebrew, modern Hebrew or biblical Hebrew. It is not the same word that you would use for building a building. And first of all, you are going to lay the foundation that is the base of the building. It is not the word I'll use, the word base. It is not the word for base. It is the word for to establish. God has established the earth. He established it for them. And then we want the Scripture to interpret itself. And so we're going to go, let's go to Psalm 24, verse two. And here it says, for he has founded it. He's talking about the earth. He has founded it upon the seas and established it upon the floods. Now, here it does use a little bit different word for founded and established. But this word for founded right here happens to be the exact same word in the exact same Hebrew 10th as Psalm 104, verse five, which talks about the foundations of the earth. So according to Psalm 24 two, the foundations of the earth are what? The seas. He founded it upon the seas. Well, again, that's kind of an odd foundation, isn't it? But if you say in the beginning, God created heaven, earth, earth was hump formulas and void and darkness is over the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God hovered over the waters. So the Spirit of God hovered over the waters, and he founded the earth upon the waters. Okay, sounds like we're not talking let me say this differently. It sounds like if from these verses you make the conclusion that the earth does not move, that you're making a conclusion that those words don't actually say. One of the things I have warned about as a literal interpreter of the Word, I have warned that one of our grand errors is we make the Bible say things that the Bible doesn't actually say. And I think that this taking these words and saying the earth is on a solid foundation that never moves does become problematic. You could go to Psalm 136, verse six on there. We're out of time, going to be out of time in a moment. But you could go to Psalm 78 69, where it uses the same word, the same tense and talks about the earth which he has established. There the word is translated, established. You can go to Proverbs 319, the Lord hath founded the earth. Now, from these can a case be built that the earth is on a physical, immovable foundation? I don't think so. I think the case is made that the Lord established the earth. He is the founder, if you will, of the earth. So then what about if you take from these that it has a foundation and it doesn't move? What do you do when you take Job chapter 26, verse seven. Now remember not to go full metaphorical on us here. And it says in Job 26, verse seven, he stretched out the north of the empty places and hang us the Earth upon nothing. Well, you can't have your cake and eat it too. It's either got to be founded on a solid immovable foundation or it's got to be hanging upon nothing. Is the Earth hanging or is the Earth founded? Well, again I would say let's take the foundation literally. God literally founded the Earth, didn't he? We got that in Genesis chapter one, verse one. It wasn't a big bang that caused all the things to get in motion. God founded the Earth and now the earth hangth. You take these and say, okay, what we've got is there's a context and there's some poetic speech that is given that is through all this I noticed I missed finishing my outline there where it says Does Matthew 18. Here's where I fill in the ellipses. Remember in Matthew 18 when Jesus said to Peter, thou art Peter and upon this rock I will build my church? A number of ways to the big debate has been what's the rock? Right? But does anybody take that to mean the church has this foundation of Peter? That is, the church is literally built on that rock. He says he's going to build it on the rock, doesn't he? But we take that metaphorically speaking, the rock of the confession or the rock of Peter, however you want to do it. We'll save that for another time. But there's a lot of passages of scripture we do say, okay, this is metaphorically speaking and carrying out that idea. Now flat earthers do accept a premise of a physical foundation. I don't think the Bible supports it, but they accept that. And so then they will often use flawed scientific thinking. I'll use that kind of in quotes to prove that they are right. There's this guy named Eric Dubai who wrote 200 Reasons the Earth is not a spinning Ball. It's interesting reading if you should care to read it. The problem is 200 times you read that's very weak argumentation that really doesn't show that the Earth is not a spinning ball. Here's one example. He says if the Earth and its atmosphere were constantly spinning eastwards over 1000 mph than the average commercial airline traveling 500 miles an hour would never be able to reach its eastward destination before they come speeding up from behind. Okay, if you don't know your Cosmology, then that would seem true. I used to wonder this myself. The Earth is spinning eastward faster than the planes going. It seems like it's eventually going to come up from behind there. Now the problem is the Earth includes its atmosphere and the atmosphere is spinning. The whole thing is spinning along there. And furthermore speed is relative. So the Earth spinning at 1000 miles an. Hour. Haven't you noticed how windy it is out there? The reason you don't have 1000 miles an hour wind when you step out is because the air is moving with you, right? Otherwise it would be eastern Colorado, windy all the time. Just amazing in what it would be. And furthermore, speed is really relative. If I am walking at, I don't know, let's say 3 miles an hour, 20 minutes mile, here we go. I'm walking at 3 miles an hour. 3 miles an hour relative to what? This is kind of an important question, because I can get on an airplane from the front to the back and walk 3 miles an hour. And at the end, in an hour, I'll be 500 miles from there if I were to drop out of the airplane. So in one case I'm walking relative to the speed of the airplane. In the other case, I'm walking relative to the speed on earth. That's the frame of reference. So the biblical metaphorical interpretation that the flat Earth takes, and I'll just put it out there, they have to take a metaphorical interpretation because nothing in the Bible explicitly says the Earth is flat. That's one way of interpreting. But it is never ever explicitly stated, nor the only interpretation that can come. But they take it as if it is and accuse the rest of us of not believing the Bible nor interpreting it literally. And then with that, they misinterpret science to try to prove that everything is the case. Dubai will say, if the Earth was a spinning globe, then all you would need is a helicopter to rise up above it and wait for your destination to come to you. And then you land on it and it really does go. See the Earth is not a spinning globe because you can't do that. Could there be another possibility, I wonder? There's tons of possibilities there, and they have so been the accusation for me was I was too influenced by my Grecoroman ideology. I'll spin it back if I can use the word spin. They have been so influenced by their flat earth ideology that they're unable to read science or read the Bible in this literal way. There's a third one. I'm out of time, so I won't spend much time on it. But here's the third claim. The surface of a bulk volume of water is always perfectly flat and level. That alone is enough to prove flat earth. Not suggest or imply flat earth, but prove it. Okay, so is a bulk surface of water we're talking about a big lake or the ocean, what not we're not necessarily talking about your glass of water, but a bulk surface of water. Is it always flat? First of all, let's go ahead and take your glass of water. Is the surface of your water in your glass always flat? The truth is, it's never flat. That has to do with the viscosity. Is that the word. The viscosity of the glass kind of holds some of it up and it's actually convex, but you never look at it and say, oh, my convex surface of my water there does have a flat appearance, doesn't it? And as a matter of fact, I think we do not have measurement materials, as I could see anyway, measurement materials that are precise enough to be able to measure that convex, but we can view it with viscous meniscus. Oh, the test tube. Yes. Okay. Yeah, what she said. Now, you can go on a large body of water, obviously, and see things a long way off. As a matter of fact, one of the things they like to do is point a laser and they do the math wrong, but they do the math. I think it's every mile, the curvature of the Earth should hide eight inches. So you get out a mile and you can see eight inches less. Well, you do the math long enough and you get out enough miles and you should not be able to see that thing. Well, they get out enough miles and they say, look, we can see it. It's flat. The Earth is not a globe. The problem is, that is kindergarten thinking instead of advanced thinking. First of all, you think of a laser, and I know it looks straight to us, but a laser is a beam of light, right? What does the beam of light do? It gets bigger and bigger and bigger, and which way does it go? Believe it or not, they have done plenty of studies to show this, that light itself curves. And so you take a laser beam, it's going to expand out, but there is a curvature to it, so that where they should not be able to see the laser beam, they can indeed see the laser beam that it does make that curve to a certain degree. There are actually three things that are important here. One is the height from which the observer is viewing. Number two is the height of the object observed. Now, those two are kind of easy, right? The hard one is the curvature of light waves, which affect sight. Do you know that you can see around corners? Well, not very well, but my hand here is about where my ear is. My eye is seeing my hand right there. I can see it. My fingers are moving right now, and it's in my peripheral vision. Right. How is this happening? The cornea is pointing out that way, and yet I can see here I'm seeing around corners. That's what's happening. We have this view that does allow some of this to take place, and that takes place in the curvature of light. So I think that if you put all three of those together and the curvature of light is going to be the most difficult one scientifically, because the measurements of that, the formula for that, is not going to be as easy as saying I'm six foot tall and the entire state building is 40 foot tall and we're 2 miles away. All that you can do fairly simple, by the way, the math of I think it's eight inches per mile is not good math. Maybe it's the square of eight inches per mile. It's not good math. It's way too simplistic in the math. So when you get that doesn't make so much difference in 1 mile, but it does make a lot of difference in 100 miles that you get bad math. Now, remember, we say very often question the assumptions on the flat waterproof. Doesn't do anything to prove, as it says there proves a flat Earth got way too many flawed assumptions in there. The logic is built upon your assumption. The logic can be very strong. But what if the assumption is wrong? That's the problem with Calvinism. It's got great logic on the wrong assumption and it falls apart. I think that you end up with the same. Now, we could spend honestly, we could spend weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks and weeks studying Flat Earth Cosmology, or Sphere Cosmology, looking at the scriptures. One guy sent me a list of 100 scriptures that prove the Earth is flat. We could go through every one of them. I went through them somewhat quickly, and I have discovered there's actually not one scripture that proves the Earth is flat. Those are scriptures that you can take a leap of faith and interpret in such a way to take that as the Earth is flat. Does it actually say that? No, it does not. We could spend lots and lots and lots of time doing it, but we're not going to. Honestly, it's because I'm not sure I would convince anybody after it was all said and done. I think that when we would come to the end and if you believe the Earth is a globe, like I would, you would still believe the Earth is a globe. If you believe the Earth is Flat, like some of these others do, you would still believe the Earth is flat. I think that we should be aware, however, that the Flat Earth Cosmology really is a tremendously growing movement. The best thing I can say about it is these are people who believe the Bible. The worst thing I can say about it is they're not interpreting the Bible literally. And interpreting the Bible literally includes, as we stated earlier, taking it literally, figurative, when it is a figurative language. And some of it you just have to take figurative, because, again, you can't have a circle with corners. And the Bible talks about the four corners of the Earth, and it talks about the Earth as a circle. So one of those at least has to be figurative. When you let the scripture interpret scripture, I think it kind of shows what we've got there. And with that, I'm out of time. But we are going to go to the Life and Times of Abraham in just a moment after we take a little break. And those of you online, it will be a new broadcast, you can check that out. And let's have a word of prayer. Heavenly Father, circle, flat, square, triangle, whatever, we're grateful for this earth that we live in and the blessing that it is to us. And we just pray that you would help us as we read all of the Bible. Help us to learn to put aside our preconceived notions on either side and to really see what the Bible reveals to us and to know that there are some things the Bible does not reveal to us as well. And now we see through a glass darkly. Then we shall see face to face. And we are grateful for your words. In Jesus name, amen. God bless you. Take a little break and we'll start back here in about five minutes.