The handout is there, the flat earth handout is the one that we are going to look at. And my screen stuck. So you're just going to have scripture, scripture today? See, I think I can control that part, so I can get us where we need to be. But other than that, you don't get any pretty pictures between the services. I'll have Nathan reboot, but nonetheless that each one of you are here today. Sorry for a few minutes, late start. I really only apologize to those online because those here are always having fun talking to everybody. But if you're online and you have nothing but your husband there, then you're like, oh, come on, get us started here. So our apologies to the online, but we come to session five of the Task Prophecy Conference and I'll leave this in a word of prayer. Heavenly Father, we are grateful for the two days already we've had and the four sessions we've had and the learning we've had, and the fun we've had looking at these and the fellowship we've had in the meantime. And we pray that these last two sessions also would be of enlightening nature to us, at least get us to think, if nothing else. We ask this in Jesus name, amen. And we are going to talk about the flat earth today. And back there on the book table, you remember I've already talked about electricity and rapid virus recovery, which talks about energy within your body. But there is another book, I thought about printing it for you, even though I don't really agree with it. It's kind of interesting. A friend sent it to me and it's called Zotek Astronomy. Zotech Astronomy. It is, I suppose, the classic book on flat Earth. It was written in. The fellow who did it was a scientist who believed in the flat Earth and he wrote a nice little book with illustrations and everything else that goes rotham Bomb or Robatham, I believe, is his name. Zetetic? Z-E-T-E-T-I-C zotek astronomy. Zotedic is a word that I may be off here just slightly, but it's a word that means question the assumptions. How's that? Dig into it, look at the assumptions, look at the evidence, see what you come up with. And so he wrote a treatise on the flat Earth and honestly, he did a pretty good job. You read it, it's entertaining reading, if nothing else. It's intriguing reading. As you go through it, you say, I want to check that out. Well, what about this? And what about that? And it is still available today as a classic, by the way. If you want to read it, the best place to read it is go to Archive.org archive.org and just type in the Teddy Astronomy and it'll bring it up and you can download it as an EPUB or a PDF or read it on the screen however you'd like to do it. If you want to look into that zotetic astronomy. I wanted to mention that because we are talking about the flat Earth and I'm looking at this for a couple of reasons here. And one is we do question the assumptions around here and I just love to take a weird idea and adopt it. But I've looked at this weird idea and I can't adopt it. There's the good news or the bad news for some of you as we consider this, but I think it's worthy of stopping because down through the ages Christians have been accused of believing in a flat Earth. Those crazy flat Earthers is always a reference to Christian, very seldom as anyone outside of Christianity ever accused or guilty of holding to flat Earth. So we who are Christians might get it someday. In fact, I didn't bring the quote, but I could find you a quote from former President Obama who gave quite the slam on Christianity as if we're a bunch of brain dead flat Earthers. And that's sort of the work that's done in there. Now, let me say also, just like much of the electrical work that we talked about on Friday night and then the energy world on Saturday, on any of this, you would be able to go and do a lot more study. And on any of this you would be able to go and say randy White had too brought up a brush there. He should have narrowed that down, should have had a finer point. And that would indeed be true if we had a semester class. But I could only get you to come for the weekend. So you do indeed have to leave this. Let me say that flat Earth astronomy, I guess we'll call it that, flat Earth astronomy. It's not caveman neanderthal kind of thinking. They have done some work to do some thinking to question the assumptions. So let's get a little bit of a global history here of the flat Earth movement and in terms of the way the sphere goes, the world is a globe. I guess you should say that idea goes back ages and ages into Pythagoras. I think Pythagoras was 6th century BC. So really virtually as long as at least we've had, let's call it Western civilization, western Civilization. GrecoRoman thought as long as we've had that there has been someone out there teaching the Earth was a globe. As a matter of fact, I would venture to say from the 6th century BC. The idea of the Earth as a globe was the accepted idea, the same idea we have today. Obviously they've learned some things and they've measured some things and they tweaked that a little bit. But the Earth is a globe is certainly not a new idea. So don't make the mistake of coming along and saying this idea of a globe came about with capernius just a few hundred years ago. And before that, everybody believed in a flat Earth that's not true. The Greeks didn't believe in a flat earth. The Romans didn't believe in a flat earth. The Babylonians didn't believe in a flat earth. The Jews didn't believe in a flat earth. You can't find flat earth literature from the ancient day. So at least 500 years before Christ, you've got a global earth. Now, as I started out mentioning, it has always been taught, or often taught that the Church believed in a flat earth, and especially during the Dark Ages back, say, I don't know, 300, 400, 500, up to about 1500. Narrow those off either way you'd like to go. But during the Dark Ages, the Church believed in a flat earth. Well, actually, that is not very true at all. And even a cursory look at the few writings that do exist on the Earth during that time, you're going to find that there's. The Church believed in a global earth during that time, and sometimes it is viewed and understood. That like Christopher Columbus. Do you remember what he did? Do you remember what and you did? It 192. Nobody ever says 1492 because it doesn't go with the poem. But anyway, in 1492, Columbus sailed the ocean blue and we might have even been taught columbus had this marvelous idea that the world was a globe and that he could get to India through transversing the globe. And what a new idea he had. Well, he didn't really have a new idea. Everybody who was for Columbus believed it was a globe. Everyone who was against Columbus believed it was a globe. Their real tension with Columbus was the distance. How far is it going to be before we get there? Are we going to be able to stay long enough and have enough supplies and make it there? And so there was a debate on the size of the globe and what is out there, how long you're going to be sailing around there. Of course, they were not aware of the North American continent or South American continent, the Western Hemisphere, but there was really virtually no in fact, I'll say there was no argument about a flat earth during Columbus Day. Everybody believed in a global earth. There is a book, a fairly well known book. It's called desperate mundi. That is Latin. Anyone want to guess that book written in 1230? If you were to translate Desperate Mundi into English, what would you get? We'll call it the global Earth. How's that? Mundi the world, the Earth and sparrow sphere. You got a spherical or a global earth that was written in 1230. Obviously, that was the Middle Ages and gave some pretty decent science for the global Earth. So in history, there really has never been a large flat earth movement society, a flat earth movement. There have been probably since, let's say, 1800. There have been various times in which there were flat earth societies and flat earth movements. They were never large, but there were some out there. And you can go into the 1800s in the Flat Earth Society in England, or you can go today in, surprisingly for me anyway, in the last, I would say ten years, the acceptance adoption of Flat Earth has grown, I would say exponentially. It is now not that hard to find a Christian who holds to or believes in the Flat Earth. Now, you may not have met them, but if you circle around just a little bit in the Christian world, you will come across them. And who is it that is adopting this idea of the Flat Earth? Well, very much it is Christians, and only Christians. Again, it's always only been Christians that adopted the Flat Earth. In fact, I would say the vast majority, if not 100%, are very conservative, even King James, only fundamental Christians, they are adopting the Flat Earth. Now, these are rock solid believers. You can't look at these people and say, boy, they just fell off the turnup truck right there. These are people that really do study their Bible very well. They study all the issues about the Scripture. A lot of them are right dividers like we are, or at least close to right dividers like we are. And so travel around in our circles and you're going to find them. Travel around in independent fundamental circles and you're going to find them. And the more conservative you go, that's the ones who are going to develop a flat earth. You don't find liberals saying, I think the world is flat. You find ultra conservatives saying I think the world is flat. And these are believers who I want to give them a few kudos here before I say I don't agree with their idea, but these are believers who really do come and say this is the Word of God, and I take it for what it says and what it means, and I take it literally. And if God's word said it, then that settles it. And whatever NASA says, whatever the scientists say, whatever the surveyors say, whatever anybody else says, I'm going by the Word of God. Those guys must have their information mixed up. They have got some wrong assumptions or something out there. But the Word of God, for the Flat Earth movement, they would say, the Word of God tells me the earth is flat, and therefore the Earth is flat. Now, we want to look at that today and say, does the Word of God tell us the Earth is flat? I kind of suspect that if I could today go through the Bible and develop a plan through the Bible of biblical theology that showed you the Bible says the Earth is flat. I think even right here in this room. There would be many who would say. Okay. I got to go figure out what do I do with all this global stuff going on in my flat head? Because the Word of God says it's flat and I see it right there and it's plain as day, there it is. And the reason I know that you would do that is because I've seen you do it on other things. A few weeks ago we talked about the judgment seat of Christ and everybody knows we are going to stand before the judgment seat of Christ. And then I said, no we're not. And I went through the Scriptures and I think I convinced a lot of you, oh yeah, you're right, we're not. That's for somebody else. That's a different kind of thing. So if we see it in the Bible, we're going to take it and we're going to believe it. Especially if you take the Bible, rightly, divided you go by some of the hermeneutical principles that we've been learning about in this hour. Normally we would take it and we would believe it. So the praise to those who are flat earthers and I give this little praise to say, don't shun the flat earthers, be their friend. There's so much that you and they would have in common. They believe the revelation of God's word is final. They're not afraid to go against the grain that's you all as well. And they are, in the final analysis, they're just like us, except that they believe in a flat earth and we don't. So can we convince them maybe because they go by the same principles that we go by. You know how difficult it is you've had this experience before, how difficult it is to talk to someone who has a completely different set of assumptions and try to convince them. You are beating your head up against the wall, aren't you? Because their assumptions are so different. These are people that have the same assumptions that we do. So I think there is a possibility of convincing them. As a matter of fact, I would say the majority of them probably have not always believed in a flat earth. They heard a presentation somewhere along the way and then they did some study and they came to the conclusion. But changing their mind, they can go this way. Let's look at some of the scripture passages used to support a flat earth theory. We're going to go to Genesis, chapter one, verse seven. And God made the firmament and divided the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. And it was so see, I told you we had a flat earth. You're not seeing it. Okay? The issue is the word firmament. God made a firmament. Now what is a firmament? Flat earthers. And I'm going to use that term, it sounds kind of condescending, the flat earthers. I'm going to use it in a positive way just because it's easier to say than saying adherence to the flat earth movement. So we'll go with flat earthers just for time. How's that? Flat earthers say that firmament is a solid glass like dome that is over the flat earth. Think of the snow globe that you would get that has a flat bottom and it has a dome over it. And the flat earth movement believes that this firmament is that solid glass dome. You can't necessarily see it, but you can't get out of it. And they would use a few scriptures to develop the idea that firmament was solid glass. The places they would develop it and we're not going to fully develop the idea here just because of our short time today. But the places they would develop it would be the Book of Ezekiel and the Book of Revelation. Because when you get to the Book of Ezekiel. It describes heaven just a little bit and the throne room of God. And it says there was a firmament under him. And then you get to the Book of Revelation and it says, there was a sea of glass. Okay? So a firmament is a glass like floor, or if you're on the other side, a ceiling. And therefore we have this solid glass like cannot pass through. Often if you're listening to one of these give a presentation, they will say firmament. It is firm. This is something that you cannot get through and get past. Now, the Oxford English Dictionary, which gives the meaning of the word, and I'm convinced that if you use the Oxford English Dictionary correctly, it will tell you what the King James translators understood a word to me, because it goes down through time and says, here's a dozen examples of firmament used in the 16 hundreds. And so you can look at that and say, oh, okay, well, that's the way everybody in the 1600s would have read firmament. So the King James, when they said firmament, what did they mean? Oxford English Dictionary says this it is, excuse me, in the literal etymological sense, anything which strengthens or supports a substratum, a firm support or a foundation. And then notice they say literal or figurative. Okay? So I think that taking that as a firm support, this is something that's solid. Let's say at least when you and I were growing up, we had something very solid protecting us as Americans. The First Amendment and the Second Amendment. Is the First Amendment a glass c? No. But could you, by that definition, anyway, call, let's just say the Bill of Rights. Could you call the Bill of Rights a firmament upon which we can stand? Yes, you could. You could use the word in that way. So here is something that does divide. It does keep it separated and the waters which were under the firmament from the waters which were above the firmament. But does it need to be a glass like dome? No, it doesn't. Can a firmament be a glass like dome? Sure it can be. Does the Bible teach that the firmament is a glass like dome? Here's where I would question the assumptions and say, even when you take Ezekiel and Revelation, I don't see it teaching a glass like dome. But nonetheless, when you insist that the firmament is a glass like dome, then you have to come that's verse 17. Let's come down to verse 14. And you've got god said, let there be lights in the firmament of the heaven to divide the day from night and let them be for signs and for seasons and for days and for years. So you've got within this glass like dome, you have the lights in the firmament. Now, they never take that to be in the glass dome itself. It is on the bottom side. We have the sun, all of the sun and the moon and the stars are in this dome, this firmament that we have. And it's God in their view that is on the outside. Now, if you take this view, when we get down this is verse 14. Let's go down to verse 20. I think if you take this view, you also need to say we got windows in the firmament. Because God said, let the water bring forth abundantly the moving creature that hath life and the fowl that fly above the Earth in the open firmament of heaven. Now, how's it going to be open if we're going to take it all literally? Let's take it all literally, right? Somehow you open up the firmament and there is the ability to go under there. Now, I think the biggest issue to this, and I'll say again, you can take firmament to be a glass like dome. I'm still not exactly sure how that proves the world is flat, by the way, because if you can have a dome, you can have a sphere, right? And you could have a firmament all the way around and you could try to bring forth I wouldn't, but you could try to bring forth some idea that says the Earth is a globe surrounded by a glass like dome. I think even you and I would say the Earth is a globe surrounded by a firmament. And the reason we would say that is, one, we read here, but two, we've seen pictures of the space shuttle when it comes in, and it's difficult to get through that firmament, right? There's a lot of power that goes into getting through that which separates outer space. There's something indeed that keeps all the hydrogen in our world. Is that the lightest of the elements? If I remember, it's pretty light. Anyway, all the hydrogen from just going off of forever. Why does it stay right here? Okay, there is a blockade, if you will, literal or figurative, doesn't necessarily prove a flat Earth. Now, the reason they would say the world is flat is because there are scriptures which says that God is above the firmament. And therefore, or if you live on the North Pole, god would be above you. But if you live on the south pole. God's below you, right? Because you're upside down. He's up there. So they say he's got to be above everybody. So it flattens that which is within the dome. This is the thinking that they use. And again, there's a logical sense to it. I think what you've got to deal with is Genesis, chapter one, verse eight. But before we get there, let me ask you what's the hermeneutical principle of how to interpret Scripture? Literally, somebody said it over there, what I was looking for. Thank you. Let Scripture interpret scripture. Scripture is its own dictionary. So the Oxford Dictionary is not the definitive way to determine what Scripture is. It is. Let scripture itself. Well, Genesis, chapter one, verse eight says God called the firmament heaven. Okay? God called the firmament heaven the evening, morning, or the second day. So heaven is the firmament. When the Bible talks about heaven in this sense now, we won't get into the issue that there's the third heaven and those various deals, but when we get into this just again, for a quick plain sense, heaven is the firmament and the firmament is heaven. We're not talking about the abode of God. We're talking about space up there that God called this firmament heaven. Now. When you take that as the understanding. Let's look at another passage in Genesis. Chapter one. Verse 26. Where it says. God said. Let us make man in our own image. In our likeness. And let them have dominion over the fish of the sea and over the foul of the air and over the cattle and overall on Earth and over every creeping thing that my computer that creepeth upon there. There we go. We'll get that computer fixed right here. Now, I said 26 and it is 26. Where is it? Maybe it's not I think I've got the wrong verse there. It's not 26, but somewhere right around there, god uses the word sky. Sky. The birds of the sky. Maybe it's air. I was thinking for some reason it was sky. I put sky, but maybe I translated that from brain to finger. The neurons were not quite working correctly, but we'll double check that word. But nonetheless, let me say to you that the same word for heaven is translated as sky or air. Up there. Up there. So the firmament becomes the let's go with this word. And I'm pretty sure that this is the correct word right here. If I had full use of the computer, I would look at it right now. But you've got the fowl of the air, that being the same word as you've got in verse eight. I'm going to try something here and hopefully not crash things here. Either 929 or 57 75. Let's see if I can do this. 929 or 57 75. Now I'm going to back up here to verse eight and okay, it's not that word. 75 49. Do we have the word sky? I tell you what? I'm not going to take the time. It's in there where heaven is the sky. God called the firmament heaven. Later, the word heaven is translated sky. What is the firmament? I think that if we were trying to convince the ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we would say the firmament is the sky. The sky is the separating dome that goes around us, keeps outer space out and inner space in. That's the firmament. It is the atmosphere, if you will. It is the air we breathe. That's the support system. The birds fly in the firmament. There's a separation of the firmament from that which is out. It is in the sky. Now let's take that and add two. Let's go with Isaiah, chapter 40, verse 22. Turn all this off there maybe. Yes. Isaiah 40 22 is another passage of Scripture that they would use. And it says, no content found, probably because I spelled Isaiah wrong. Isaiah 40 22, it is he, God, that siteth upon the circle of the earth, and the inhabitants thereof are as grasshoppers. Okay. God sits upon the firmament of the earth. The interpretation by flat earthers is that the circle of the earth is this dome doesn't use the word firmament there doesn't even use the same Hebrew word. But what you've got here is that such an interpretation of sitting on the circle of the earth is somehow supposed to prove that the world is flat. Now, I listen to three or four sermons on this from flat earthers, and what they would do is say, the firmament is a glass sky. Ezekiel says there's a sea of glass. There's a dome over the earth. God sits on the circle of the earth. He looks down, see it's flat. I wasn't convinced. I can see how a flat earth does fit within what they're saying, but I don't think that's the normal and natural reading of it. God sits upon the circle of the earth. Could that be the ecleptic where the sun rides? Could that be the sphere? Could that be the globe? Is God really sitting there and looking over at us as the grasshoppers? What are all the things there? I think that what they're doing is taking a few things that could fit with flat earth, and they're making it flat earth, and yet they're making it say more than it says. And that's one of the big cardinal sims of biblical interpretation is making the Scripture say more than the Scripture actually says. And in here, I think we've got a huge problem there. Now, I'm going to skip the Ezekiel Seven passages because we got started late and we could look at that. Well, I'll tell you what Ezekiel seven says. However, in Revelation, chapter seven, verse one, it talks about the earth's corners, the four corners of the earth. And the problem with taking that and saying, okay, here's the fork. Release the winds from the four corners of the earth. See it's flat. Sounds to me like it's cube. Maybe it does. Not necessarily. And furthermore, I have seen a lot of flat Earth maps and flat Earth models, and guess what I found? There's not a corner on one of them, but somehow he sits on the corners of the Earth, therefore it's flat. Look at this model. It's like a snow globe. It's an oval with a dome on it. There aren't four corners on that thing. So if you're going to have a model that says four corners of the Earth prove flatness, then make your model to have four corners. Right? It just seems like you've got to do this. Or is it possible to take four corners in a figurative sense? And would the Bible even allow that? I think we would say, yeah, the Bible would certainly allow that terminology of four corners to be used of maybe north, south, east, west, or to be a figurative speech. Certainly the Bible does have figurative speech and figurative speech from the ends of the Earth. The ends of the Earth. It must have an end, right? Well, in a sense, it's finite. Yeah, it does have an end. You can circumvent the entire Earth, travel the entire Earth, go to the entire Earth. Again, my point to it all is that you have to make these passages say a lot more than they're saying in order to bring this. And I think therein lies the problem. Now, I want to quickly cover some what I think are false claims of the flat Earthers. When I listen to these flat Earth sermons, I usually hear it's very common to hear if you believe that the Earth is a globe that is moving around the sun and the sun indeed is in motion. Also, if you believe that, then you have to believe the Big Bang, what they'll usually say. If you believe that, then you cannot deny the Big Bang. Well, most of us deny the Big Bang theory. In fact, I think the James Webb telescope maybe is putting some question on the whole Big Bang theory anyway. But this was before all the discoveries from that have come about. So this is a little bit of a manipulation technique. If you don't believe flat Earth and you're a Big Banger, which in conservative circles is the same as saying you are dying and going to hell, that's quite the slam to believe. You would just go with the scientist. Well, you can develop a very solid biblical and scientific model of something circumventing or rotating and revolving and all the things that the Earth does around the sun and the various other things. As a matter of fact, we didn't really talk about it. The model we don't really know how this works because we've never actually seen it. But the model remember, I had a picture of it up the other day with the atom and the atom swinging around. I don't. Think that flat earthers deny that that an atom has protons and neutrons at its nucleus and it has some electrons that are running around the outside, and yet same model, really, you've got in the solar system. If you believe in a globe, you have to believe in a Big Bang. I think that's just a straw man. I have argued with some of these guys a few times, and typically what I argue is, hey, I appreciate you trying to question the assumptions, but use a better argument. That one doesn't work, that one doesn't hold up. You're not going to convince anybody. And so that's one of the claims. And further, it ignores the reasons. If I had another session yesterday, maybe I might have done a session on the Big Bang, and I would have said, the Big Bang didn't happen. God created this world with order, and everything is placed and moving because of and in order to continue this electrical process that we talked about on Friday night. So I don't believe in the big bang. I believe that God put the globe in order. I don't understand really why a flat earther would say that God couldn't create a sphere that rotated around the sun, but they insisted that'd be true. Okay, they say that you often will hear them say satellites are fake. Satellites are fake. Last night when we were out looking at stars, I saw two falling stars, but I didn't see any satellites last night. I'm sure if I'd laid there long enough, we would have seen satellites, no doubt about it. But flat earthers believe they are fake. And the reason they say they are fake is because the temperature of the thermosphere, I believe, is the outer layer of the atmosphere. The temperature of the thermosphere from the global earth model is so high that they would go I heard one young flat earth preacher saying they're just lying to you about satellites. There are no satellites. This is like our two D two stuff. They're just having fun with you because these things are made out of titanium, and titanium melts at such and such degrees, and the thermosphere happens to be this other set of degrees. Now, he's right that if you look it up, what's the temperature of the thermosphere? It's going to be way up there, really high. I don't know the numbers. It's going to be really high, and it is higher than the melting temperature of titanium. So how do you get the titanium satellite to go through it without melting? Ah, well, what they don't tell you is the molecules in the thermosphere are, let's call it a gajillion degrees. The molecules are a gajillion degrees. They will melt titanium. However, they are so spread apart that it's not going to melt the satellite. By the time you get up there, there's not that many molecules that are there. How many of you have ever, I don't know, cooked bacon? And the gajillion degree grease jumped out at you and gave you a little kiss. Okay, well, did you melt? Did you run to the hospital? Did you call 911? No. That splatter of grease was very hot and it stung. But you kept cooking the bacon, right? This is what happens when you get up there. The satellite is going through. It's going to get some stings, no doubt about it. But it's not that everywhere temperature is at that degree. And so there are answers for every one of the claims they give as hey, this just has to prove that NASA is all wrong and there is a flat earth. One of the things they'll say is that, hey, look, by the way, let me back up. You all don't trust the government, do you? How many times have I told you? I taught my kids growing up just about every day. I told them, never trust the government. It's a beautiful day outside, get ready for school and never trust the government. I told them that as much as I could and they never trust the government. Now that value is held by flat earthers. Never trust the government. Well, who does space exploration? The government? NASA is the government organization. NASA gives some pictures, let's say pictures of the moon out in outer space. Here's the moon. And they will say, hey, you know what, when you look at the pictures of the moon, go check it out yourself. You'll look at the pictures of the moon, there are never any stars. They forgot to put the stars in their picture that they made up. That's how it goes. That's how the argument goes. NASA, when they created the pictures of the moon or the earth from the moon, they forgot to put in the stars. If there are gajillion stars out there, wouldn't you see the blue marble and all these dots around it? Yeah, except that in 1969, especially the cameras, and this is true for most cameras today. Have you ever tried to take a picture of the moon with your iPhone or you don't get anything, do you? You get this bright light. And the reason if you had a better camera, you could adjust the, I don't know what you call it in there. The stuff was that word aperture. You could adjust the aperture and all that kind of stuff and the amount of time that the lens is open and everything and you could get a better picture of it, of, say, the full moon and say, oh, that's beautiful. When I take a picture, it's like, oh, a streetlight, wow, that's nice. Well, if what you're trying to get a picture of is the blue marble, then the aperture and all that f stop and whatever all that stuff is, is going to make everything else go away in order to get that picture. Now we do have some better cameras now and James Webb and other things that are out there and guess what? Now NASA has some pictures that they didn't forget to put the stars in. They've caught on. We're going to keep this thing going about the flat Earth, we got to do it well, you can go through and then zotek Astronomy zotech astronomy has better arguments than most of the common run of the mill, every day flat Earth or arguments like these. But nonetheless, you can still look at them scientifically and they're not hard to disprove or say that is a straw man. Here's the last one that we'll give and that is if we are really speeding through space, then how come we see the same stars every night? We see the same stars our grandpa saw when he was out looking at the stars at night. Why aren't the stars different every night? I mean, we're going at 100,000 miles a minute or something like that. Why aren't the stars any different? I would say, have you ever been in an airplane and looked out and found another airplane flying off over there in the distance, often in the same direction and he's not moving. In fact, sometimes from the ground you've looked up and said that airplane is not moving, keep watching. Look mom, that airplane is about to fall from the sky because it's not moving. Well, it's all a perspective thing, isn't it? First of all, stars are so far away. The flat Earth model does not allow that because all the stars are within the firmament. In fact, the flat earth model says that everything that you see is within 6000 miles and within 6000 miles indeed if all the stars were within 6000 miles, remember we say that the moon is 250,000 miles and the sun is 94 million mile. So these are huge differences in the models that are given there in a spinning and rotating globe with everything that close it would look like what was it? Star Trek when they push the button. But it doesn't look like that and it really is perspective and it is in addition to the entire Milky Way happens to be moving, we happen to be going along with it. And so, I don't know, when you're passing a car over there, you look over and you don't say whoa, he's going fast. I mean, he just zoomed by only when it's the opposite direction, right? And when you're going that fast too, what happens? You don't get that zooming. I think that flat Earth has a bunch they have a good intent, they don't trust the government, they do trust the Bible. I like that, don't trust the government, do trust the Bible and question the assumptions. The problem is, I would say 90% of their arguments are just utterly weak. Don't argue on that, that's a dumb one. Get a better one. Bring something better to the table is what I would say to them. And the other 10% that stop and cause you to study a little bit. When you dig into it, you can always find what's up there. I used to wonder why it always flying a long distance, like, say, to Israel, why was it a longer trip getting back? It's 12 hours going and 14 hours coming back. The globe getting bigger, what's happening here? And I thought it should be shorter because you come up off the air, the world is coming to you. And really you ought to just be able to go up and hover and wait for it to get there. And it's going to come around in 12 hours or so. I just go up and hover and wait and then come down on the spot. But that's not the way air travel works, is it? As a matter of fact, what we know is the atmosphere also is rotating. And so that plane going westward, the rotation of the Earth, which includes its atmosphere, is rotating it back. It's got to work against that rotation all the way. Well, we'll be on a train tomorrow. Let's try this. Some of us are going on the train tomorrow. It's been on a lot of trains, and your train probably went faster than ours is going to at 12 miles an hour tomorrow. How fast did your trains go? 770. Oh, well, I've been in a 70 miles an hour vehicle before, but I couldn't jump. If you jump on a 70 miles an hour train, do you splat into the front of the train? You don't. It seems like I jump up. The floor is moving 70 miles an hour. I had a splat on one end or the other. Right. But you don't. Why? Because you move with it. The air in there is moving. The momentum is taking place there and that is what takes place. The only time you splat is when the bridge breaks and you go down. Now, time to quit the flat earth theory. Here's my conclusion. The flat earth theory is held by the most well meaning of all individuals. I realize even today I have mocked them a little bit. They always mock us a little bit, the global people, a little bit, too. It's hard on this issue not to get filled with sarcasm and mockery, but nonetheless, they are well intended people. But being well intended doesn't make you right. And they get so many issues there that are wrong. Every scientific claim of flatter thinkers can be addressed and sufficiently answered, and this is what we have to look at and consider. And every biblical claim of flat earth thinkers is also addressed. You can look at the passages that are used and you can get into them and you can address them biblically and say, doesn't really mean that you got a problem if you are going with all of that. Well, I went way overtime. Now it's time for us to start the next one. But we'll take a little break, about five minutes and start our worship service here in just a moment. Those of you online, that will be a new broadcast for you. And we will do a little singing in a minute and a little preaching in a minute and have a good time. And so why don't you stand stretch as a cup of coffee or a bottle of water or a little snacks, something back there, if you'd like, and welcome. We'll see you in a minute. Bye.